The ordering on six bands
Worth reading first: Where a handover sits · The organ that was taken away · The angle the ladder returns to.
The step ordering is not what decides which family survives a removal. That was established on two bands, fifty-five wrecked cuts and two counted pairs, and it is the load-bearing negative of this whole thread.
There are six bands now. This essay cuts them all, and the claim survives in a narrower form than it was stated in — with the narrowing being the more interesting half.
What is cut
Each band is swept for its geometry at two parts in a thousand, which on the widest is 126 rises. It is cut at nine of them, evenly spaced in the logarithm of the rise, plus both ends and the handover itself.
Sixteen cut stems a rise, each grown three hundred organs past the cut with a control beside it, is why. Cutting every rise of every band is several hours of computation for a quantity the design predicts to be constant, and a constant is tested at the extremes and at the crossing rather than by sampling the middle more finely.
Which bands wreck
Four of the six. The golden 5/8 band wrecks 16 cuts, the golden 8/13 band 43, the Lucas 4/7 band 16 and the Lucas 7/11 band 39 — 114 wrecked cuts against fifty-five before.
The two that wreck at nothing are the golden 3/5 band and the Lucas 3/4 band, both at the coarse end of their branches, where a single removal cannot wreck a stem at any offset. That is the coarse rung behaving as measured rather than a failure of the design, and both rows are in the table.
The claim, stated over the crossing
At every offset of every band, take the nearest cut rise above the handover and the nearest below it. The two contact steps are the other way round at those two rises; the counted pair is the same; the settled divergence differs by less than a twentieth of a degree.
The family left standing is the same at both. On every offset of every band where both comparisons exist.
That is the claim the design is for, and it is now carried by four counted pairs — 5/8, 8/13, 4/7 and 7/11 — on two branches.
What is not true
Two weaker-looking statements, both of which an earlier version of the check asserted, and both false.
The first: a band keeps one family. Three of the four do — the 5/8 band keeps only the 5, the 4/7 band only the 4, the 7/11 band only the 7 — and the 8/13 band keeps the 4 at one offset and the 8 at the others. That is the census’s oldest result: different offsets keep different families, and it has nothing to do with the ordering.
The second: a fixed offset keeps one family across a whole band. On the 8/13 band, offsets six, seven and eight change answer somewhere inside it.
Where those changes are
Not at the handover.
At offset seven the survivor is 8 at every rise from 0.00682 down to 0.00601 and 4 from 0.00584 down. The handover is at 0.00605, so the change sits two sweep steps below the rise where the ordering reversed, at a place where the ordering has already been settled for two steps.
At offset six the change sits four steps below. At offset eight the answer does not change once at all: it goes 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 4, 8, 4 down the band, alternating rather than switching.
An alternating answer is what a quantity near a boundary does, and it is not what a quantity following a single reversal does.
Why the widest band shows it
Because a band is a narrower experiment than its two ends suggest, and the 8/13 band is the one wide enough for that to matter.
It covers 72 per cent of its rung and spans a factor of 1.28 in the rise. Across it the divergence is held to 0.043° and everything else the rise controls moves: the neighbourhood size, the front’s depth, the lengths of both contact steps, how many organs are within reach of the placement rule.
The two bands the previous round built were swept at an absolute step of 0.0002 and covered about a fifth of that span in the rise. There was nothing wrong with them; they were narrow, and a narrow band cannot show that a wide one is not clean.
Which makes the design’s limits visible
A band holds two of the three quantities that move along a rung. It does not hold the rise, and the rise is what everything else here is a function of.
So “held the divergence and the counted pair” is not the same as “held everything but the ordering”. It is held everything the rung labels, which is two things, while the rise varies by up to twenty-eight per cent underneath.
That is a real limitation of the design and it is worth stating now rather than when something else fails to reproduce. The way to see it was to build a band wide enough to break, and the way to break it was a step that resolves fine rungs.
The shortest-hop reading, again
Across the 114 wrecked cuts, the surviving family is the shorter of the two contact steps on 44 of them.
That is the reading this thread has been refuting for two rounds, scored on a set of cuts built specifically so that the ordering reverses underneath. Forty-four of 114 is not a score; it is what a reading looks like when the quantity it is stated over is not in the mechanism.
Read band by band it is 9 of 16, 14 of 43, 3 of 16 and 18 of 39 — which varies enormously and tracks how much of each band sits on which side of its handover rather than anything about the cuts.
What the check now asserts
Three things, and the shape of them is the point.
That the family is the same either side of every handover, on every offset where both comparisons exist, with at least eight such offsets across the bands.
That the ordering really does reverse inside every band the claim is scored on — a constancy under nothing is not a constancy.
And, separately, that not one of the places where a fixed offset’s answer does change sits at a handover. That is asserted over the changes rather than asserted away, so a future sweep that produced a change at a crossing would fail rather than be absorbed.
What a first version would have reported
Five bands with a clean constancy and one refutation.
The version of the check that asked whether a whole band keeps one family fails on the 8/13 band, and the obvious readings of that failure are both wrong: either the ordering does decide the survivor after all, or the 8/13 band is defective and should be dropped. Neither is what happened. The band keeps two families because its offsets keep two families, which was known before the band existed.
That is the second time in this round a check written at the wrong granularity produced a wrong answer with a plausible face on it, and both times the repair was to ask the question the design actually poses.
What still varies across a band
Something does, on the widest one, at three offsets. What it is, this essay does not say.
The candidates are the ones a band does not hold: the rise itself, the neighbourhood size it sets, the front’s depth, the absolute lengths of the two steps. Any of those varies by tens of per cent across a 1.28× band, and separating them needs a design that holds the rise — which nothing here has.
It is worth noticing that the offsets where the answer changes are six, seven and eight, on a stem counted 8 and 13. Offset eight is a counted number; six and seven are not. That may be nothing.
What each band contributes
The golden 5/8 band wrecks at three offsets across ten cut rises, sixteen cuts in all, and keeps the 5 at every one of them. That is the band the original result was built on, swept here at a finer step and over a wider stretch, and it gives the same answer.
The Lucas 4/7 band wrecks at two offsets, sixteen cuts, and keeps the 4 throughout. It is the other original band, and it keeps a different family from the one the census’s 4/7 stems keep at other rises — which is the offset’s doing rather than the band’s.
The Lucas 7/11 band wrecks at five offsets across ten rises, thirty-nine cuts, and keeps the 7 at all of them. It is new this round and it is the largest clean contribution.
The golden 8/13 band wrecks at five offsets, forty-three cuts, and keeps the 4 and the 8. It is new, it is the widest, and it is the one that does not behave.
The cuts that keep nothing
None, across all 114.
That is worth stating because it is not guaranteed: a wrecked stem can keep no rigid hop at all, and when it does, a count of surviving families has a null in it that must not be folded into a family. Two-organ cuts produce nulls routinely and single-organ cuts on these bands produce none.
So every one of the 114 comparisons is between two families rather than between a family and an absence, which is the cleanest form the comparison can take.
What a wider band would have shown sooner
The 8/13 band is 72 per cent of its rung and the two original bands were about a fifth of that in the rise. If the first version of this design had swept at a ratio, the 8/13 band would have existed in the previous round and the narrowing would have happened then.
That is not a criticism of the previous round; it is a consequence of a step size, and the step size was the repair this round made. What it says is that the cleanliness of a design can depend on a parameter of the sweep that has nothing to do with the design’s logic, and that the way to find out is to push the parameter until something breaks.
Here what broke is small — three offsets on one band — and it broke in a direction that leaves the central claim standing. It did not have to.
Read against the matched pairs
Two designs, two negatives, and they now rest on comparable weight.
The band design says the ordering does not decide the survivor: 114 cuts, four counted pairs, two branches. The matched-pair design says the settled divergence is not sufficient: four comparisons, four counted pairs, two branches.
The first has thirty times the cuts and the second has the cleaner logic — a matched pair varies one labelled quantity and a band varies one labelled quantity while the rise moves underneath. Neither is redundant, and what they leave standing is the counted pair.
What the comparison needs at each offset
Both a wrecked cut above the handover and one below it. Where an offset wrecks on only one side, there is nothing to compare and the row is skipped.
That happens often enough to be worth counting. On the golden 5/8 band, cutting three places back wrecks at three rises and all three are above the handover; on the Lucas 4/7 band, cutting five places back wrecks only below it. Both are skipped, and the check asserts that at least eight offsets across the four bands do bracket their handover — so a future sweep in which almost nothing brackets could not pass by comparing two rows.
Which offsets wreck at which rises is itself a measurement and not a nuisance: the set of offsets that wreck a stem is the front, and it moves down a rung, so a band that crosses enough of a rung will see offsets appear and disappear.
What the alternation means
At offset eight on the 8/13 band the answer runs 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 4, 8, 4 down ten cut rises. That is not a switch; it is two answers appearing alternately at the fine end.
The obvious reading is a boundary. If two families are nearly equally available at those rises, small differences between adjacent rises could tip a cut either way, and what looks like noise is a genuinely marginal decision being made ten times.
Testable, and not tested: cut at every rise of the band rather than at ten of them, and the alternation is either a pattern with a period or a scatter. That is sixteen cut stems times 126 rises for one band, which is the cost the sampling was adopted to avoid, and it is the one place on these six bands where paying it would buy something.
What the two coarse bands would need
An experiment that can wreck a coarse stem, and there is one. Removing both walls of the slot wrecks a 3/5 stem where either alone heals, so a two-organ cut across the golden 3/5 band would produce the comparison a single removal cannot.
That is worth naming as available rather than as done. The band exists, it is a proper matched pair with its ends separated by four per cent, and the only reason it contributes nothing is that a single removal at the coarse end has nothing to sever. Cutting it with two organs is one change to a loop.
The Lucas 3/4 band would still contribute nothing, for a different reason, which is the distinction between the two empty rows.
The one line
A hundred and fourteen wrecked cuts across four bands, on four counted pairs and two branches, and at every offset of every band the surviving family is the same immediately above the handover and immediately below it with the ordering reversed between. The answer does change inside the widest band at three offsets — two to four sweep steps away from the crossing, and at one of them by alternating — which says a band a quarter as wide in the rise was a cleaner experiment than anybody had reason to know.
What links here
Computed from the collection, not written here: the essays that point at this one.
Shares its objects with
Essays that name at least two of the same things, and that neither author linked.
- The shortest hop was a coin flip — both name ablation, claim testing, control, falsifiability, lattice offset, negative result, parastichy pair, rigid hop, rise, rung, underdetermination
- One rung, two answers — both name ablation, control, falsifiability, lattice offset, negative result, parastichy pair, rigid hop, rise, rung, underdetermination
- The family that lost a member — both name ablation, claim testing, control, falsifiability, lattice offset, negative result, parastichy pair, rigid hop, rung, underdetermination
- The organ that was nobody's neighbour — both name ablation, claim testing, control, falsifiability, lattice offset, negative result, parastichy pair, rigid hop, rung, underdetermination
- The side the census sat on — both name ablation, claim testing, control, handover, lattice offset, negative result, parastichy pair, rise, rung, underdetermination
- The front deepens down a rung — both name ablation, claim testing, control, lattice offset, negative result, parastichy pair, rigid hop, rise, rung
Named objects
A flat tag is an object no other essay names yet.
AblationClaim testingControlFalsifiabilityHandoverLattice offsetMatched designNegative resultParastichy pairResolutionRigid hopRiseRungUnderdetermination