Where the angle comes from

A wall that was never measured

Three samplings of the starting angle give three orderings of the four falloff exponents' walls and a spread that does not shrink, while every error bar behind them halves. The reason is that a wall is a crossing of a nearly flat curve, and nobody had asked how well it is located.

Worth reading first: Fitting the exponent · How long a stem takes to settle.

Below some rise, a stem started at an arbitrary angle stops reaching a lattice at all. The rise at which half the starting angles still settle is called the wall, and the question it was built for is whether it moves with the falloff exponent — the power in the sum each organ is placed at the minimum of.

The answer has been no for three rounds, and each round has reported it with different numbers.

The settling share against the rise, at 40 starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 40 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.62 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 and 5 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 1 The settling share against the rise at forty starting angles, with the range consistent with each wall shaded.

Three samplings, three orderings

At nine angles the four walls sit at 0.01397, 0.00711, 0.00711 and 0.00867 — a factor of 1.97 between the ends, with the exponents ordered 2, 5, 3, 4.

At twenty they sit at 0.01180, 0.01106, 0.01199 and 0.01300 — a factor of 1.18, with the ordering completely reversed to 5, 4, 2, 3.

At forty they sit at 0.01448, 0.01232, 0.01300 and 0.02000 — a factor of 1.62, ordered 5, 2, 4, 3.

No two of the three orderings are the same, over samplings that differ by a factor of four.

The settling share against the rise, at nine starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 9 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.96 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 2 The same reading at nine starting angles, where the four exponents’ walls first came out unequal.

And a spread that does not shrink

1.97, then 1.18, then 1.62. That is not a sequence converging on anything.

Meanwhile every error bar behind it behaves exactly as arithmetic says it should. The standard error on a pooled column goes 5.8 per cent at nine angles, 3.8 at twenty, 2.6 at forty, which is the square-root behaviour a binomial sample has.

So the underlying shares are getting more precise at the expected rate and the quantity read off them is not settling down. That is the finding, and it is a statement about the reading rather than about the exponents.

How often a stem settles, at three samplings of the starting angle. The share of runs that reach a lattice, over the whole table of four falloff exponents by eight rises. The upper three bars are the pooled share at nine, twenty and forty starting angles; the lower three are the share for each group of angles on its own. The pooled figure falls 40.6 to 32.3 to 30.0 per cent, by 8.3 points and then 2.3, so it is converging. The eleven angles added at twenty and the twenty added at forty settle at 25.6 and 27.7 per cent, which differ by less than their own error.
Fig. 3 The shares behind the walls, whose error halves as the sampling doubles.

What went wrong with the reading

A wall is where a curve crosses a level, and it is located only as well as the curve is steep there. Nobody had asked how steep it is.

At exponent 5 and forty angles, the shares at rises 0.03, 0.02 and 0.013 are 0.475, 0.500 and 0.450. One standard error on a share over forty angles is 7.9 points, so all three of those are within one error of a half.

A crossing consistent with three consecutive rises spanning a factor of 2.3 in the rise is not located between two rises. It is barely located at all.

The settling share against the rise, at 40 starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 40 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.62 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 and 5 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 4 The nearly flat stretch each curve crosses a half in, which is what makes the wall ill-determined.

The bracket

Written down as a measurement rather than left implicit: the range of rises consistent with the crossing, from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it, at one standard error.

At forty angles: exponent 2 is bracketed between 0.02 and 0.008, a factor of 2.5. Exponent 3 between 0.03 and 0.008, a factor of 3.75.

Exponents 4 and 5 have no rise whose share is confidently above a half at all. Their brackets are open at the coarse end, which means their walls may sit above 0.03 — above the coarsest rise the table holds.

The settling share against the rise, at 40 starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 40 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.62 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 and 5 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 5 Each exponent’s bracket, two of them open at the coarse end of the table.

Which settles the question

Every bracket is wider than the 1.62 the four walls differ by, by a factor of at least one and a half, and two of them are unbounded.

So a separation of 62 per cent between the largest and smallest wall was never something these runs could have seen. The null was never in danger.

That is a better statement than the one it replaces. The exponents’ walls do not separate sounds like a measurement that came out equal; what is true is that the wall is not determined to better than a factor of two by any sampling here.

How many starting angles reach a lattice, by rise and by falloff. Every cell is 9 stems grown from 9 starting angles spanning 40° to 180°, at one rise and one exponent in the placement rule's falloff, for 1200 organs each. The number is how many of them settle onto a lattice. Reading down a column, the basin closes as the rise falls, which is the wall. Reading across a row, nothing much happens: the exponent-three column is the published settling table digit for digit, and the other three are the same column inside their own sampling error. The account that a steeper falloff should wall somewhere else does not survive the table it predicted.
Fig. 6 The four exponents’ columns, whose walls differ by less than any of their own brackets.

Why the error bar did not say so

Because it was the share’s error and it does not propagate to the wall. A share known to two and a half points is a precise share; the rise at which that share crosses a half is precise only if the share changes quickly with the rise.

Here it does not. Between 0.03 and 0.013 the share at exponent 5 moves from 0.475 to 0.450 — two and a half points across a factor of 2.3 in the rise — so a two-and-a-half-point error on the share is a factor-of-two error on the wall.

That is an ordinary propagation of error and nobody had done it. The rounds that reported the wall quoted the share’s error beside it, which is the error of a different quantity.

How many starting angles reach a lattice at all. The share of nine starting angles, spread from 40 to 180 degrees, whose stem settles onto a lattice at each rise. It falls from 7 of 9 at the coarse rises to 1 at the finest, and the runs that fail do not fail by running out of organs — grown three times as long they fail identically. So what closes at the fine end is the set of arrangements a stem can fall into rather than the time it has to find one, which is a different kind of limit and a more interesting one.
Fig. 7 The share against the rise, whose slope near a half is what decides how well a crossing is located.

What is still true

That the share falls with the rise, steeply and unambiguously, from around three quarters at 0.03 to around a tenth at 0.003. There is a wall in the sense of a region below which stems stop settling, and it is somewhere around a hundredth.

That is a wall rather than a budget: tripling the run length does not move it, and a steeper rule does not wall elsewhere, so a run that does not settle in twelve hundred organs is not a run that was stopped too early.

What is not available is a wall precise enough to compare between exponents. The existence of the phenomenon and the value of the number are separate claims and only the first is established.

The same table, grown 2.7 times as long. Every rise and every starting angle, grown to 1200 organs and then to 3200. The two middle columns are how many starting angles reached a lattice at each length, and they are the same column: of the 72 pairs of runs, 72 are identical organ for organ and 0 settle at the longer length after failing at the shorter one. Tripling the budget buys nothing anywhere. What the fine rises are short of is not run length: the share of starting angles that reach a lattice at all falls from 7 of 9 to 1, so the arrangements a stem could fall into have mostly stopped existing.
Fig. 8 The share against the rise across the table, which falls by a factor of seven over the range.

The eight rises

0.03, 0.02, 0.013, 0.008, 0.005, 0.0045, 0.004 and 0.003. That is the list the settling table has always used, kept unchanged so that the exponent-three column of this table and the table that found the wall are the same measurement.

Its spacing is the other half of the problem. Between 0.02 and 0.013 there is nothing, and between 0.013 and 0.008 there is nothing, so a crossing anywhere in there is located to a factor of 1.5 by the rises alone before any error is considered.

Four rises between 0.008 and 0.003 and four above, on a quantity whose interesting region is around 0.012, is a list chosen for coverage rather than for locating a crossing.

How many starting angles reach a lattice, by rise and by falloff. Every cell is 9 stems grown from 9 starting angles spanning 40° to 180°, at one rise and one exponent in the placement rule's falloff, for 1200 organs each. The number is how many of them settle onto a lattice. Reading down a column, the basin closes as the rise falls, which is the wall. Reading across a row, nothing much happens: the exponent-three column is the published settling table digit for digit, and the other three are the same column inside their own sampling error. The account that a steeper falloff should wall somewhere else does not survive the table it predicted.
Fig. 9 The eight rises the table is grown at, whose spacing near the crossing is a factor of 1.5.

What would locate it

Rises between 0.02 and 0.008 at a finer spacing, and more angles at each. The two are multiplicative: the bracket’s width comes from the share’s error divided by the curve’s slope, so halving the error and halving the spacing each buy about a factor of two.

Getting the wall to a factor of 1.2 — enough to see a separation of 1.6 — would take something like eight rises between 0.02 and 0.008 at eighty angles, which is 2,560 runs and about forty-five minutes.

That is affordable and it is worth stating what it would buy: a wall per exponent good enough to say whether the four differ, on a question whose answer has been no for three rounds and whose no has never been a measurement.

The settling share against the rise, at 20 starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 20 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.18 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 and 5 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 10 The reading at twenty angles, whose brackets are wider still than the forty-angle ones.

What the orderings were worth

Nothing, and they were reported as nothing each time. The round at twenty angles said the ordering had reversed and drew the right conclusion — neither ordering means anything; that is the point — without being able to say why.

This is the why. An ordering of four numbers each known to a factor of two is four coin flips, and three independent sets of four coin flips giving three different orderings is not surprising.

What is new is that the conclusion can now be stated as a measurement: the brackets are wider than the spread, so the ordering is not information. The round that reversed the ordering had the right instinct and no instrument to back it.

The settling share against the rise, at nine starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 9 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.96 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 11 The first sampling’s walls, whose factor of two looked like a signal and was four coin flips.

The one thing the exponent does move

Not the wall. The clock — how long a settling run takes — moves with the exponent in a way a share cannot see, and that reading is unaffected by anything here because it is a mean over settled runs rather than a threshold crossing.

And the destinations: a steep falloff reaches places a shallow one does not, which is a list rather than a number and is subject to a correction of its own.

So the exponent is not inert. It is inert in the one quantity that was chosen to measure it, for a reason about the quantity rather than about the exponent.

How many organs settling takes, by falloff exponent. One mark per stem that settles, placed at the organ from which every later divergence stays within a degree and a half of the run's own final value. At the exponent every other measurement here uses, the slowest is 290 organs — the number four rounds of this collection have carried as though it belonged to the rule. It belongs to the exponent: at 4 the slowest is 808 and at 5 it is 674. A table of shares cannot see this, because a stem that settles at organ 800 and one that settles at organ 8 are the same entry in it. And it is still not a shortage of time: of 72 pairs of runs grown to 1200 organs and then to 3200, 0 settle at the longer length after failing at the shorter.
Fig. 12 The quantity the exponent does move, which is a mean over settled runs rather than a crossing.

Why the wall was chosen at all

Because it is the obvious summary. Below what rise does the rule stop working is one number and it compresses a whole column, and a comparison between four exponents wants one number each.

The trouble with a summary is that it can be much less determined than what it summarises. The column has eight shares in it, each known to 2.6 points at forty angles; the wall is one number known to a factor of two.

That is a general hazard and it has a general remedy: report the column and the summary together, with the summary’s own uncertainty rather than the column’s. Which is what this reading now does.

The settling share against the rise, at 40 starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 40 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.62 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 and 5 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 13 The column and its summary drawn together, with the summary’s own bracket rather than the column’s error.

How the wall is computed

The share of starting angles that settle is read at each of the eight rises, and the wall is where a straight line through the two rises either side of a half crosses it — a linear interpolation in the logarithm of the rise.

That is a reasonable thing to do and it is the source of one oddity in the numbers. At exponent 5 and forty angles the share reaches exactly 0.500 at a rise of 0.02, so the interpolation returns 0.02000 — a rise from the list rather than a value between two of them.

A summary that occasionally returns one of its own input values is a summary whose inputs are too coarse for it. That is visible in the number itself and nobody had looked.

How many starting angles reach a lattice, by rise and by falloff. Every cell is 9 stems grown from 9 starting angles spanning 40° to 180°, at one rise and one exponent in the placement rule's falloff, for 1200 organs each. The number is how many of them settle onto a lattice. Reading down a column, the basin closes as the rise falls, which is the wall. Reading across a row, nothing much happens: the exponent-three column is the published settling table digit for digit, and the other three are the same column inside their own sampling error. The account that a steeper falloff should wall somewhere else does not survive the table it predicted.
Fig. 14 The eight shares each exponent’s wall is interpolated from, one of which lands exactly on a half.

The level is a half and could be anything

The share falls from most of the angles to none as the rise falls, so any level between about a third and two thirds names the same ordering of the four exponents. A half is the middle of that and was stated once rather than chosen per column.

That reasoning was sound when it was written and it is undermined by the same flatness. If the curve near a half is flat enough that the crossing is unlocated, then moving the level from a half to a third moves the crossing by a great deal — and the claim that any level names the same ordering is a claim about an ordering that is four coin flips.

Checking would mean recomputing the four walls at several levels and seeing whether the ordering holds. It is arithmetic on the same table and has not been done.

How many starting angles reach a lattice at all. The share of nine starting angles, spread from 40 to 180 degrees, whose stem settles onto a lattice at each rise. It falls from 7 of 9 at the coarse rises to 1 at the finest, and the runs that fail do not fail by running out of organs — grown three times as long they fail identically. So what closes at the fine end is the set of arrangements a stem can fall into rather than the time it has to find one, which is a different kind of limit and a more interesting one.
Fig. 15 The curve the level is drawn on, whose flatness near a half is what makes the choice of level matter.

What a steeper curve would look like

At the coarse end of the table the share does change quickly: between 0.005 and 0.003 it falls from around 0.15 to around 0.09, and between 0.008 and 0.005 from 0.30 to 0.15.

So the curve is steep where the share is small and flat where it is near a half, which is the worst possible arrangement for reading a crossing at a half. A wall defined at a fifth rather than a half would be far better located.

It would also be a different quantity, and one whose comparison to the previous rounds’ numbers would be an argument about two designs. Which is a reason to report both rather than to replace one with the other.

The same table, grown 2.7 times as long. Every rise and every starting angle, grown to 1200 organs and then to 3200. The two middle columns are how many starting angles reached a lattice at each length, and they are the same column: of the 72 pairs of runs, 72 are identical organ for organ and 0 settle at the longer length after failing at the shorter one. Tripling the budget buys nothing anywhere. What the fine rises are short of is not run length: the share of starting angles that reach a lattice at all falls from 7 of 9 to 1, so the arrangements a stem could fall into have mostly stopped existing.
Fig. 16 Where the share curve is steep and where it is flat, which decides how well a crossing at any level is read.

What this does not undermine

Any claim about the settling share itself. The shares are measured to 2.6 points at forty angles and the comparisons between them are sound — including the finding that the original nine angles were a biased sample, which is a comparison between groups of angles at the same rises.

Nor does it touch the destination list, the arrangements or the basins, none of which is a threshold crossing.

It touches one number per exponent, quoted in three rounds, and the correction is to say how well it is known rather than to change its value.

How often each group of starting angles reaches a lattice. The share of runs that settle, for the nine angles the table was grown from, for eight angles placed halfway between them, and for three angles below the nine's lowest. The nine settle far more often than either. So it is the refinement rather than the extension that drags the share down, and the settling share this collection reports is biased upwards by the choice of angles rather than by their range.
Fig. 17 The shares themselves, which are measured well and are what every other claim in this thread rests on.

The same hazard, elsewhere on this site

A summary much less determined than what it summarises is a shape rather than an incident, and this collection has met it before.

A mean side count throws nearly everything away, where the summary is one number over a whole distribution and the second moment turns out to carry the information. A fitted exponent on a branching tree comes out precise and means little, because the fit is over a range where the two candidate laws barely differ.

The common thread is that a summary’s own uncertainty has to be computed from the summary and not inherited from its inputs. That is one line of arithmetic and it is the line nobody writes.

A count of m and n pins the divergence to 221°/mn. Each dot is one reported pair, and its height is the total width of the divergence angles that could have produced it at some rise. 2/3 leaves 38.8° open; 34/55 leaves 0.118°. The line is 221°/mn, taken from the three highest pairs and drawn back through the rest.
Fig. 18 Another summary much less determined than what it summarises, on a different thread.

What a barrier this puts on the exponent question

The falloff exponent is the rule’s one free parameter, and the whole point of sweeping it from two to five was to find something it decides. Three quantities have been tried: the wall, the clock and the destination list.

The clock moves with it. The destination list moves with it. The wall does not, and that negative has been the headline of two rounds because it is the quantity that sounds most like a physical property.

What this reading says is that the wall is the worst of the three instruments for the job, and that the two which do move are the ones to quote. That reorders the thread’s own findings without changing any of them.

Every divergence a stem settles on, by falloff exponent. One row per exponent, one mark per distinct settled divergence anywhere in that column, read to a tenth of a degree. This is the sharpest instrument in the sweep and the cheapest: it is already in every run, it does not average, and it is read on the same azimuth grid at every exponent. The steeper falloffs reach 42.3°, 47.9°, 148.1° — values that appear nowhere in the two shallower columns — while the traffic the other way is empty. So the exponent changes the map of where a stem can end up while leaving alone the share of starting angles that end up anywhere, which is a result a measurement of "did it settle" was never going to find.
Fig. 19 The destinations each exponent reaches, which is one of the two quantities the exponent does move.

What a wall would need to be worth quoting

A bracket narrower than the difference it is being used to test. That is the whole requirement, and it is arithmetic rather than a matter of taste: a quantity known to a factor of two cannot adjudicate a difference of a factor of 1.6.

Getting there needs two things multiplied together. The share must be measured finely enough that a standard error is small against the curve’s own change from rise to rise — eighty angles would halve it again, to about 1.8 points. And the rises must be close enough near the crossing that the curve’s slope is resolved; eight rises between 0.02 and 0.008 would put four readings where there are currently two.

Together those bring the bracket to something like a factor of 1.2, which is narrow enough to see a 1.6 spread if there is one. It is 2,560 runs and about forty-five minutes, and it is the only thing that would turn three rounds of they do not separate into a measurement.

The cheaper half, which was not done either

Recomputing the four walls at levels other than a half. The current reading asserts that any level between about a third and two thirds names the same ordering, and that assertion is arithmetic on the table already in hand — no new runs at all.

If the ordering holds across levels, the null is on firmer ground than this essay gives it credit for. If it does not, then the level is a fourth thing the ordering depends on, and the whole quantity is worse determined than the brackets say.

It is minutes of work and it is not done, which is worth recording as plainly as the expensive half. The reason it was not done is that the brackets settled the question the round was asking, and a check that would only strengthen a negative is easy to leave.

What is claimed

That the four falloff exponents’ walls come out at 0.01397, 0.00711, 0.00711 and 0.00867 at nine starting angles, 0.01180, 0.01106, 0.01199 and 0.01300 at twenty, and 0.01448, 0.01232, 0.01300 and 0.02000 at forty; that no two of the three samplings order them the same way; and that the spread between the ends goes 1.97, 1.18, 1.62 while every error behind them halves.

That at forty angles the rises consistent with each crossing span a factor of 2.5 and 3.75 for exponents 2 and 3, and are unbounded above for exponents 4 and 5 — every one of them wider than the 1.62 the walls differ by.

And that the conclusion the wall does not separate the exponents therefore stands as a statement about what these runs can see, rather than as a measurement that came out equal.

The settling share against the rise, at 40 starting angles. One line per falloff exponent: how many of the 40 starting angles still reach a lattice at each rise, coarse on the left. The wall is where a line crosses a half, and the shaded band is the range of rises consistent with that crossing at one standard error — from the finest rise whose share is confidently above a half to the coarsest whose share is confidently below it. Every one of those bands is wider than the factor of 1.62 the four walls differ by, and at exponents 4 and 5 no rise in the table has a share confidently above a half at all.
Fig. 20 The whole reading: four curves crossing a level over a flat stretch, at the finest sampling available.

What links here

Computed from the collection, not written here: the essays that point at this one.

Shares its objects with

Essays that name at least two of the same things, and that neither author linked.

  • A basin has a width — both name claim testing, honest limits, identifiability, measurement error, sampling, settling, starting angle
  • Twenty angles instead of nine — both name claim testing, falloff exponent, honest limits, measurement error, sampling, settling, starting angle
  • Round numbers are not a sample — both name claim testing, honest limits, measurement error, sampling, settling, starting angle
  • A difference forgets a drift — both name claim testing, honest limits, identifiability, negative result, summary statistic
  • A fifth of the hop — both name claim testing, honest limits, identifiability, negative result, summary statistic
  • A width read off a staircase — both name honest limits, identifiability, measurement error, sampling, summary statistic

Named objects

A flat tag is an object no other essay names yet.

Claim testingFalloff exponentHonest limitsIdentifiabilityMeasurement errorNegative resultSamplingSettlingStarting angleSummary statisticThresholdUnderdetermination